Whence comes the BLACK color to ELI / CARVER / BOUDREAUX dogs, being that they all are Tudor's "DIBO" family and "DIBO" was buckskin color? - The HENRY´s Dogs. (By Mariano Peinado. 2014/06/21)
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Online Pedigree TUDOR'S “DIBO”:
TUDOR'S “DIBO” in the Earl Tudor yard in Hobart, Oklahoma in 1958, the same year that he died.
To make this report I've adhered to common sense, honesty and be the more neutral than I have been able to expose my point of view to make this work with all my good intention, based on experiences that I had lived since many years before the onset the Internet on society, the years 80 till nowadays with old dogmen and in the USA places where occurred some historical events narrated in this work.
By other way, to make clear that I do not come to this place to CONVINCE anyone, since I believe that to want to try to convince someone is not honest nor correct. I believe that to want to try convince anyone is equivalent to try to wanting to manipulate the thought of others, try to limit the freedom of the individual people to think and do what they wish and I believe that it is not correct. The right and ideal thing, is that everyone show their own judgment and make their own conclusions on any subject or matter that will come here and there.
First of all, I would like to reflect and analyze the term "half-truths" circumstance that some, dastardly unfortunately often develop for their own benefit and interest, to try to make some lies in truth in the view of another people, to try to get convince them by something that interests them for some reason. I think the "half-truths" are even worse than lies. A lie is a lie. However, the "half truth" is intended to make up a circumstance, for what the lies and falsehood accommodate great in the situation, with some credibility, as if it were a great truth without being, obviously to convenience and interest for the people who pass the "half-truth" without any values or scruples, with one exception, that of those who pass the "half-truth" simply by what they heard to others, which makes them sin of ignorants, without criteria own.
May 30, 1998, Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.A., The “DIBO´s” cradle
In the picture, Mariano Peinado with his good friend Mr. Dwight Stubbs, with his dog “DIBO” family called Heinzl´s (Stubbs) "Ollie” with the same color buckskin from "DIBO". "Ollie” was at that time 12 years, he was a great reproducer. "Ollie” was the father of very good dogs such as Nowell's “Lil Independent”, (Stubbs) "Mrs. Heinzl”, etc. "Ollie" was still alive at that time, was one of the best American Pit Bull Terrier bred by the Reverend Howard Heinzl. Mr. Stubbs, kept the dogs and the genetics of his good friend the Reverend when he died in 1989 of stomach cancer. Mr. Stubbs also enjoyed much breeding descendants of Carver's (Davis) “Midnight Cowboy”, from Boudreaux' “Maverick”." Mr. Stubbs, a great dogmen and exceptional people, all a gentleman. Good job Mr. Stubbs!!! Thank you!!!edad y es el padre de " Mrs. Heinzl ” . " Ollie " que aún estaba con vida en ese momento, fue uno"Mrs. Heinzl”. "Ollie” was one of the best American Pit Bull Terrier bred by the Reverend Howard Heinzl and that was still alive at that time. Mr. Stubbs keep with life very well the Heinzl blood till nowadays since his good friend the Reverend died in 1989 of stomach cancer. Mr. Stubbs Carver's (Davis) “Midnight Cowboy”, Boudreaux' “Maverick”. Mr. Stubbs Good job Mr. Stubbs!!! Thank you!!!
Los hermanos de camada TUDOR´S “DIBO”, HEINZL´S “ARIZONA PETE”, LANGHAM'S “LIL” y RITCHESON'S “JERRY”, fueron criados por decisión de W.D.SMITH en la yarda del Reverendo Howard Heinzl el 21 de marzo de 1951, lo que convierte a W.D.SMITH ética y moralmente como el criador de todos ellos, ya que si ellos cuatro vinieron a este mundo fue gracias a la decisión tomada en su momento por W.D.SMITH. Me ha parecido justo y correcto dar el crédito que corresponde a esta persona en honor a la verdad.
Centrándonos en el asunto del tema que tratamos decir, que hay quienes dicen que los perros ELI / CARVER / BOUDREAUX (todos ellos de la familia de TUDOR´S “DIBO”) son perros ILEGÍTIMOS por no tener el mismo color buckskin que tenía “DIBO”.
No niego que el color buckskin fuera un color común dentro de los perros de la familia “DIBO” claro que no, pero también dentro de la familia “DIBO” existieron otros colores diferentes al buckskin, como por ejemplo el color de sus hijos WHITE “ROCK”, “CRY BABY” entre otros.
FIAPBT Pedigree Online de TUDOR'S “WHITE ROCK”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online de (TUDOR) START'S “CRY BABY”
Un ejemplo claro de cómo el color buckskin pasa al color negro más fácilmente de lo que algunos creen, lo tenemos con un cruzamiento de perros idéntico al de TUDOR'S “DIBO”:
Mariano Peinado con su perra llamada "RED OKLAHOMA" de color “Red Nose” a la izquierda, realizando una monta externa con un extraordinario perro “ELI” de la familia “DIBO” llamado SCHAFFER´S "CLYDE", hijo de CH "JEEP" ambos de color “buckskin” como “DIBO”. 1998, Los Ángeles, California, USA. Extraordinarias personas los propietarios de “CLYDE”, Mary Schaffer y su marido.
¿El resultado del cruzamiento de "RED OKLAHOMA" X SCHAFFER´S "CLYDE"? Mayoritariamente gano el color negro en un 70% frente al color Buckskin con un 30%. Esto no me lo ha contado nadie, lo he visto con mis propios ojos. Un servidor es el criador de esta camada. Incluso en la actualidad, en Villa Liberty kennels aún tengo conmigo vivo un cachorro macho de esos que se ven en la fotografía, el cual goza de la vida con muy buena salud a sus 16 años de edad. Creo que este animalito, podría ser el último nieto vivo de CH "JEEP" que fue concebido con monta natural, teniendo en cuenta que CH "JEEP" murió en el año 1989, hace ya 25 años.
LOS CRUCES CONSANGUINEOS Y LA HERRAMIENTA DE LA SELECCIÓN DE CRIANZA, PUEDEN HACER Y DESHACER LAS GENETICAS DE LOS PERROS EN BASE A LOS OBJETIVOS DEL CRIADOR, SEAN COLORES, TAMAÑOS, ACTITUDES, CARACTERES, etc.
BOUDREAUX' "SCRUB" es un animal muy CONSANGUÍNEO, una cuádruple crianza de BOUDREAUX´”BLIND BILLY”. "SCRUB" es hijo, nieto, biznieto y tataranieto de ”BLIND BILLY” todo ello al mismo tiempo. A "SCRUB" se le cruzo igualmente de manera CONSANGUINEA con una hija de ”BLIND BILLY” y biznieta de CANNON'S “BLACK SHINE” llamada BOUDREAUX' “CANDY” y de ese cruce salió BOUDREAUX' “ELI” de color negro debido a la CONSANGUINIDAD. BOUDREAUX' “ELI” fue el fundador de los conocidos perros “ELI”.
Los casos de BOUDREAUX' "SCRUB" y BOUDREAUX' "ELI", son otros dos ejemplos muy claros de como la CONSANGUINIDAD puede llevar al color negro.
FIAPBT Pedigree Online de BOUDREAUX' "SCRUB"
FIAPBT Pedigree Online de BOUDREAUX' "ELI"
En la fotografía de la hija de “DIBO” llamada HEINZL'S “POLLY” (color buckskin), podemos ver los cachorros de “POLLY”, dentro de los cuales podemos observar cachorros de varios colores, entre ellos también el color negro.
Online Pedigree de HEINZL'S ”POLLY”
El color negro también fue característico dentro de la familia “DIBO”. El gen del color negro le vino a “DIBO” por diferentes caminos.
Del cruce de TUDOR'S “DIBO” con TUDOR'S (HEINZL) “DINAH”, se reforzó el gen del color negro en la genética de los descendientes de “DIBO”, por medio de TUDOR'S “BLACK JACK”, su hijo TUDOR'S “BLACK JACK JR” y los perros ingleses de Henry.
Online Pedigree de TUDOR'S “DIBO”
Otro camino por ejemplo, fue la genética de color negro de los perros ingleses que aportó el bisabuelo paterno de “DIBO”, CORVINO'S “GIMP”. Pero la manera más directa que el gen del color negro le vino a “DIBO”, fue por medio de su abuela paterna de color negro llamada HUBBARD'S “LENA”. “LENA” es descendiente de TUDOR'S “BLACK JACK”, el cual se encuentra tres veces en su quinta generación, dos en sexta y una en séptima generación. HUBBARD'S “LENA” igualmente desciende de otros buenos perros negros.
Online Pedigree de HUBBARD'S “LENA”
TUDOR´S “DIBO”, HEINZL´S “ARIZONA PETE”, CARVER´S “IRONHEAD”, BOUDREAUX´”BLIND BILLY”, CARVER´S “CRAKER”, CARVER´S “JUDY”, CARVER´S (CRENSHAW'S) HONEYBUNCH, etc., aun siendo de color buckskin, el gen del color negro ya lo tenían igualmente dentro de sus genes por la herencia genética recibida. “DIBO” por diferentes caminos, transmitió a sus descendientes un ligero aumento de peso y el gen de color negro, especialmente por el camino que va a través de su hijo CANNON'S “BLACK SHINE”.
“BLACK SHINE” a su vez, transmitió a la familia “DIBO” un ligero aumento de peso y el gen de color negro por medio de BOUDREAUX' “CANDY” (Madre de BOUDREAUX´ “ELI”), BOUDREAUX' “PEGGY” (Abuela de BOUDREAUX' “SPOOK”) etc. gracias a la extraordinaria labor de crianza realizada por F. Boudreaux en este sentido.
Online Pedigree de CANNON'S “BLACK SHINE” (55Lb.)
Por otro lado, “BLACK SHINE” también transmitió el gen del color negro a través de su hija CARVER´S “BLACK WIDOW”, cuando esta fue cruzada con su abuelo, el propio TUDOR´S “DIBO”. Algunos de los machos resultantes de esta camada, concretamente CARVER´S “CRACKER” y CARVER´S “LASSO”, fueron cruzados de manera CONSANGUÍNEA con CARVER´S “JUDY” la hermana de camada de CARVER´S “BLACK WIDOW”, con lo que el factor del gen del color negro en la familia “DIBO” aumentó considerablemente con el resultado de esas camadas, por ejemplo: CARVER'S (TOM) “BIG BLACK” (“CRACKER” X “JUDY”).
Dentro del siguiente enlace, pueden apreciar el enorme parecido físico entre CARVER'S (TOM) “BIG BLACK” y los denominados perros “ELI” y “LOS NEGROS” de la actualidad: http://www.villaliberty.org/Tom.htm
Del cruce de CARVER´S “BLACK WIDOW” con su abuelo paterno TUDOR´S “DIBO”, salió una extraordinaria hembra llamada CARVER'S “BLACK GIRL”, la cual fue madre de uno de los mejores American Pit Bull Terrier de todos los tiempos llamado CARVER'S “IRONHEAD”, el cual lanzo muchos buenos perros y varios de ellos fueron de color negro.
FIAPBT Pedigree Online de CARVERS “BLACK GIRL”
Online Pedigree de CARVER'S “IRONHEAD”
LOS CRUCES CONSANGUINEOS Y LA HERRAMIENTA DE LA SELECCIÓN DE CRIANZA, PUEDEN HACER Y DESHACER LAS GENETICAS DE LOS PERROS EN BASE A LOS OBJETIVOS DEL CRIADOR, SEAN COLORES, TAMAÑOS, ACTITUDES, CARACTERES, etc.
Dentro del desarrollo de toda esa labor de crianza de aquella época, el viejo “Zorro de Plata” Maurice Carver, fue introduciendo a estos animalitos en sus venas cualidades y virtudes extraordinarias del genotipo que les hicieron destacar, cualidades y virtudes que anteriormente no poseían y el color negro era un simple pero excelente indicativo y guía del fenotipo para reconocerlos y comprender, que andaba por el buen camino en lo que Carver deseaba obtener en su crianza con los perros provenientes de la familia “DIBO”.
FIAPBT Pedigree Online de WALLING'S “BULLYSON”
Gracias a la enorme labor de crianza realizada por Maurice Carver a través de su experiencia, sabiduría y por medio de su herramienta, LA SELECCIÓN DE CRIANZA, fue consolidando dentro de la raza canina American Pit Bull Terrier a los hoy conocidos como “LOS NEGROS”, provenientes de los perros “ELI”, a través de “BULLYSON”, “ELI Jr.” y “BRENDY” todos ellos provenientes y muy cargados genéticamente de la familia “DIBO”. Concretamente estos tres ejemplares hermanos de camada, poseen cada uno de ellos el 69% de la genética o sangre de “DIBO”, o sea que genéticamente viene a ser como si fueran hijos y casi nietos al mismo tiempo de TUDOR´S “DIBO”, tesoros genéticos sin duda. Un digno representante de este último ejemplo CONSANGUINEO es “STOMPANATO”.
FIAPBT Pedigree Online de P. CARVER'S “STOMPANATO”
“LA CUNA DE “BULLYSON” -- En el siguiente VIDEO, tienen la ocasión de ver la yarda (criadero) de Jerry Clemmons en 1968. Con “Bullyson”, “Eli Jr.” y “Brendy” cuando eran cachorros con su madre “SPOOK”, la cual era de color BUCKSKIN, siendo otra manera más de comprobar que el color negro pasa más fácilmente de lo que algunos creen por medio del color BUCKSKIN, ya que como ustedes pueden apreciar en el video la mayoría de los cachorros de “SPOOK” fueron de color negro, entre ellos “BULLYSON” y “ELI Jr.” Al padre de los tres, Boudreaux “ELI”, le pueden apreciar cuando vean dentro del VIDEO al perro negro simpático y sonriente que corre con su cadena. ¡¡¡Todo un lujo para el aficionado poder ver estas imágenes en pleno 2014!!!
HISTORICO VIDEO de “Bullyson”, “Eli Jr.” y “Brendy”: http://youtu.be/3yKfeZDYBfE
Otro claro ejemplo de como la CONSANGUINIDAD puede llevar al color negro lo tenemos con TUDOR'S (Mayfield) “NIGGER”.
FIAPBT Pedigree Online de TUDOR'S (Mayfield) “NIGGER”
En los tiempos actuales, muchos de los perros de la familia “DIBO” se caracterizan por el color negro debido a la CONSANGUINIDAD y al resto de circunstancias ya explicadas. Muchos de los animalitos de la familia “DIBO” de la actualidad, son los procedentes de los perros “ELI” especialmente los denominados como “LOS NEGROS”, siendo esta rama genética o cepa de la raza canina American Pit Bull Terrier, los que en la actualidad suelen tener en sus venas los mayores porcentajes de la genética de TUDOR´S “DIBO”, manteniéndola fresca, vigorosa, viva y muy presente en los tiempos de hoy en día, algo inédito y exitoso de la ingeniería genética que solo ocurre con esta raza canina.
Lo que he aprendido durante mis investigaciones y experiencias en el transcurso de 30 años en torno al American Pit Bull Terrier, es que por regla general las diferentes ramas genéticas más destacadas en positivo dentro de la raza, eran precisamente aquellas cuya carga de la genética o sangre de TUDOR´S “DIBO” estaban más concentradas o cargadas en el propio “DIBO”. ¿Casualidad? Yo creo que no. Esto es una explicación bastante lógica en el sentido del porque los perros Carver, Boudreaux, “ELI” y “LOS NEGROS” son perros con casi todas las garantías de éxito en la actualidad.
The littermates TUDOR´S “DIBO”, HEINZL´S “ARIZONA PETE”, LANGHAM'S “LIL” and RITCHESON'S “JERRY”, were bred by decision W. D. SMITH and borned in the Reverend Howard Heinzl yard, on March 21, 1951, what makes W. D. SMITH ethically and morally as the breeder of all them, because if those four dogs came into this world was due to the decision taken at the time by W. D. SMITH. I thought that was right and proper to give the credit corresponding to this individual in the truth honor.
Focusing on the subject of this report, saying that some people say that dogs from ELI / CARVER / BOUDREAUX (All them TUDOR´S “DIBO" family) are ILLEGITIMATE dogs because have not the same colour buckskin that had “DIBO”.
I do not deny that the buckskin colour was a common colour in the family “DIBO” dogs of course not, but also within the “DIBO” family there were other different colours than the buckskin colour, like the colour of its children WHITE “ROCK”, “CRY BABY” among others.
TUDOR'S “WHITE ROCK” FIAPBT Pedigree Online
(TUDOR) START'S “CRY BABY” FIAPBT Pedigree Online
A clear example of how the buckskin color changes towards the black color more easily than some people thinking, we have it with identical breeding dogs at TUDOR'S “DIBO”:
Mariano Peinado with his female dog named "RED OKLAHOMA" color "Red Nose" to the left, making an external stud with a special dog "ELI" of “DIBO” family called SCHAFFER´S "CLYDE", son of CH "JEEP" both colored buckskin like “DIBO”. 1998, Los Angeles, California, USA. Extraordinary people the "CLYDE" owners, Mary Schaeffer and Jake her husband.
The result of the crossing "RED OKLAHOMA" X SCHAFFER´S "CLYDE"? Majority won the black color with 70% front a Buckskin color with 30%. This no one has told me, I've seen it with my own eyes. I am the breeder of this litter. Even today, in Villa Liberty kennels still is with life and living with me a puppie male of those who appear in the photograph, which enjoys of the life in good health with 16 years old. I think this animal could be the last living grandson of CH "JEEP" which was conceived with stud natural, considering that CH "JEEP" died in 1989, 25 years ago.
DO NOT EXIST REAL SCIENCE THAT CAN DENY ME THAT FROM THIS LITTER CAME OUT BLACKS PUPPIES, because this litter I've done it with my hands and I have seen born it with my own eyes. Also, my word honor is here attested about all it. This last I say because some people who say that the science, "their science", says that the stud of a color Red Nose female with a male of Buckskin color, the same color of “DIBO”, cannot come out puppies of black color in that litter.
THE INBREEDING CROSS AND THE TOOL OF THE BREEDING SELECTION, CAN DO AND UNDO THE DOGS GENETIC, BASIS IN A BREEDER GOALS, WILL BE COLORS, SIZES, ATTITUDES, CHARACTERS, etc.
BOUDREAUX' "SCRUB" is an animal very INBRED, a fourfold breeding from BOUDREAUX' "BLIND BILLY", which provided him the 93´75% of its genetic. "SCRUB" is son, grandson, great-grandson and great-grandson from "BLIND BILLY" all at the same time. "SCRUB" was also crossed in INBRED way with a daughter of "BLIND BILLY" and granddaughter of CANNON'S "BLACK SHINE" called BOUDREAUX' "CANDY" and of that crossing, get out BOUDREAUX' "ELI" of black color due to CONSANGUINITY. BOUDREAUX' "ELI" was the founder of the known "ELI Dogs”, many of this dogs were of black color.
Cases of BOUDREAUX' "SCRUB" and BOUDREAUX' "ELI" are two very clear examples of how the CONSANGUINITY can lead to black color.
BOUDREAUX' "SCRUB" FIAPBT Pedigree Online
BOUDREAUX' "ELI" FIAPBT Pedigree Online
In the "DIBO" daughter pictured called HEINZL'S "POLLY" (buckskin color), we can see the "POLLY" puppies, within which we can see puppies of various colors, including also the black color.
HEINZL'S ”POLLY” Online Pedigree
The black color was also characteristic within the "DIBO" family. The black color gene came to "DIBO" in different ways.
From the litter coming TUDOR'S "DIBO" with TUDOR'S (HEINZL) "DINAH" the gene black color genetics was reinforced in the "DIBO" descendants, by the inheritance coming from TUDOR'S "BLACK JACK”, its son TUDOR'S “BLACK JACK Jr.” and the HENRY´s DOGS.
TUDOR'S “DIBO” Online Pedigree
Another way by which the black color was introduced in the “DIBO” genetic for example, was the black color genetics of the english dogs that provided the paternal great-grandfather and at the same time the double maternal great great grandfather of “DIBO” called CORVINO'S "GIMP", which provided him the 25% of its genetic. But the most direct way that the black color gene came to “DIBO”, was through its paternal grandmother and at the same time the maternal great great grandmother of black color called HUBBARD'S "LENA", which provided him the 31´25% of its genetic. "LENA" is descended from TUDOR'S "BLACK JACK", which is three times in its fifth generation, two in the sixth and one in its seventh generation. HUBBARD'S "LENA" also descended from other good black dogs.
HUBBARD'S “LENA” Online Pedigree
TUDOR´S “DIBO”, HEINZL´S “ARIZONA PETE”, CARVER´S “IRONHEAD”, BOUDREAUX´ ”BLIND BILLY”, CARVER´S “CRAKER”, CARVER´S (CRENSHAW'S) HONEYBUNCH, etc., even being of buckskin color all this dogs, the black color gene also already had within its genes by the genetic inheritance received. “DIBO” in different ways, transmitted to its descendants a slight increase in weight and the black color gene, especially on the way that goes through its son called CANNON'S "BLACK SHINE".
"BLACK SHINE" in turn, transmitted to the “DIBO” family a slight increase in weight and the black color gene through of BOUDREAUX' "CANDY" (Mother of BOUDREAUX' "ELI"), BOUDREAUX' "PEGGY" (grandmother of BOUDREAUX' "SPOOK") etc.. thanks to the extraordinary breeding work by F. Boudreaux in this regard.
CANNON'S “BLACK SHINE” (55Lb.) Online Pedigree
On the other hand, "BLACK SHINE" also transmitted the black color gene through its daughter called CARVER'S "BLACK WIDOW", when it was crossed with his grandfather, the own TUDOR'S “DIBO”. Some of the males resulting from this litter, specifically CARVER'S "CRACKER" and CARVER'S "LASSO" were crossed in inbred way with CARVER'S "JUDY", the full sister of CARVER'S "BLACK WIDOW", so the black color factor gene in the “DIBO” family increased considerably with the results of these litters, for example: CARVER'S (TOM) “BIG BLACK” (“CRACKER” X “JUDY”).
Inside of the next link, you can appreciate the enormous physical resemblance between CARVER'S (TOM) "BIG BLACK" and the called dogs "ELI" and "THE BLACKS" of nowadays: http://www.villaliberty.org/TomRobinson.html
By the cross of CARVER'S "BLACK WIDOW" with his paternal grandfather TUDOR´S “DIBO”, came an extraordinary female named CARVER'S "BLACK GIRL", which was the mother of one of the best American Pit Bull Terrier of all time called CARVER'S “IRONHEAD" which had many good dogs and several of them were of black color.
CARVERS “BLACK GIRL” FIAPBT Pedigree Online
CARVER'S “IRONHEAD” Online Pedigree
“The INBREEDING CROSS and THE TOOL OF THE BREEDING SELECTION, can do and undo the dogs genetic, basis in a breeder goals, will be colors, sizes, attitudes, characters, etc.” (m.p.)
Within the development of all the breeding work of that time, the old "Silver Fox" Maurice Carver, was introduced to these animals in its veins and extraordinary genotype qualities and virtues which made them stand out, qualities and virtues that previously did not have and the black color was a simple but excellent phenotype indicative and guide to recognize it and understand, that was on the right way as to what Carver wanted to get on with his breeding with the dogs from the “DIBO” family.
WALLING'S “BULLYSON” FIAPBT Pedigree Online
Thanks to the tremendous breeding work made by Maurice Carver through his experience, wisdom and by his tool, THE BREEDING SELECTION, he was consolidating within the breed dog American Pit Bull Terrier to the nowadays known like "THE BLACKS", coming from the "ELI dogs" through "BULLYSON", "ELI Jr." and "BRENDY", the three genetically very high from "DIBO" family. Specifically these three specimens littermates, each one have the 69% "DIBO" the genetic or blood, so genetically is the same like were children and almost grandchildren simultaneously of TUDOR´S “DIBO”, certainly genetic treasures. A worthy representative of this last INBREEDING example, is “STOMPANATO”.
P. CARVER'S “STOMPANATO” FIAPBT Pedigree Online
THE "BULLYSON" CRADLE - In the next VIDEO you have the chance to see the Jerry Clemmons yard in 1968 with "Bullyson", "Eli Jr." and "Brendy" when they were puppies with its mother "SPOOK", which was BUCKSKIN color, being it another way to verify that the black color turns more easily than some people think through the BUCKSKIN color, since as you can see in the video most "SPOOK" puppies were black, including "BULLYSON" and "ELI Jr". Boudreaux "ELI" the father of this three great dogs, you can appreciate when you see within VIDEO in the begining the sympathetic black dog running and smiling with its chain. All a treat for the fans can to see these images in 2014!
HISTORICAL VIDEO of “Bullyson”, “Eli Jr.” and “Brendy”: http://youtu.be/3yKfeZDYBfE
Another clear example how the INBREEDING can lead to black color we have it with TUDOR'S (Mayfield) “NIGGER”.
TUDOR'S (Mayfield) “NIGGER” FIAPBT Pedigree Online
In the modern times, many of the “DIBO” dogs family are characterized by black color due to the INBREEDING and the other circumstances already explained. Many of the animals of the “DIBO” family in nowadays, are those coming from "ELI" dogs, specially those called like "THE BLACKS", being this genetic branch, blood or strain of the breed dog American Pit Bull Terrier, which in nowadays usually in its veins have the highest percentages the TUDOR´S “DIBO” genetics or blood, keeping it fresh, vigorous, lively and very in the present time, something unprecedented and successful of the genetic engineering that only occurs with this breed dog.
What I learned during my research and experiences in over 30 years around the American Pit Bull Terrier, is by general rule the different genetics branches salient in positive way within the breed, were precisely those whose burden of TUDOR'S "DIBO" genetic or blood were higher or more concentrated in the own “DIBO”. Coincidence? I think not. This is a pretty logical explanation in the sense that the Carver, Boudreaux, "ELI" and "THE BLACKS" are dogs with almost all assurances of success today.
MORALES “NEGRA” during the time that it was in Mexico was well known like “La Negra Grande”.
In the picture, Ramiro Morales and Mariano Peinado exchanging views in Villa Liberty kennels. 2010, November 02, Tres Cantos, Madrid, España.
Ramiro Morales, was one of the good friends of the Maurice Carver closed circle and the main exponent "The BLACKS" introducer in Mexico, remarkable work yes sir.
Ramiro Morales was completely disconnected from the dogs for almost 40 years. However, his knowledge and historical data about the breed remain safely stored in his memory.
Although I know to Ramiro does not like and does not want that I recognize him any merit publicly, worthy and very much laudable by him, I have to make a small exception in this regard, since like the truth is the truth to say, that Ramiro Morales in addition of gentleman is an important part of the history of this noble and wonderful breed dog, the American Pit Bull Terrier. So from these lines I would like to acknowledge and I thankful to my good friend Ramiro Morales all the great merit that he has, along with other breeders and dogmen that have helped me and also very friendly and selflessly provided me many historical photographs (forgotten in old trunks), which never saw the public light and also for the valuable information on that time that brought me, which part of it is reflected in this report a disaggregated way, under my own deductions and conclusions as neutral as possible for me, with truth and common sense all possible for myself and my understood.
This information is not only having a very important to myself, I think that this is a historical information heritage and legacy of the breed dog itself and its fans, where we should not allow to negotiate with this information and also not will be lost over the course of years, due to forgetfulness or unfortunate oversights. Thousands THANKS Ramiro!!!
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THE FRANK G. HENRY DOGS (Updated May 21, 2023)
In the early 1900s, or early 20th century, excuse the redundancy, from an advertisement in a dog magazine of the time, Frank G. Henry, an important an extraordinary breeder of the breed in the forgotten, prophesied how would be the Pit Bull of tomorrow, that is, what the Pit Bulls of today would be like. Henry was so satisfied and proud of his dogs that he could not imagine the Pit Bulls of the future, which were of better quality than the ones he himself already owned at that time. That feeling of Henry's was prophetically captured in an ad in a canine magazine of the time, the ad that we can see in the previous photograph heading this chapter dedicated to his person, his little animals and his work in favor of the breed.
Henry took his first American Pit Bull Terrier by importing it from England around 1895. Henry named to the animal HENRY'S “RICHMOND”. Henry was so pleased with the performance of this animal, that he used it extensively in his breeding plan. Within Henry´s the breeding plan, also used different crosses with LLOYD'S “PILOT” and LLOYD'S “PADDY”.
Henry's dogs were characterized, among other things, for being balanced dogs and for their physical strength. They were physically proportioned, with a good predisposition for work. They had a good prey and grip. As for the color, Henry's dogs were usually black color, he also had some white, brindle and Red Nose.
Frank G. Henry's “RED TODDY” was a Red Nose, which, due to its valuable and predominant genetics, worked in the year 1900 with dedication and care by Henry in his breeding plan, managed to transmit a great influence to the own breed through its descendants, achieving in my opinion, just at the beginning of the new century, inaugurating a "NEW ERA" in various important "new" genetic ramifications that would soon come to the breed, which would begin to give much what to talk about among fans even in the present times.
HENRY'S “RED TODDY” FIAPBT Pedigree Online
The “RED TODDY” was one of the most important Henry stud dog, if not the most. Despite the fact that at that time in the year 1900 the term Old Family Red Nose (OFRN) did not yet exist in the breed, or abbreviated as Red Nose, indeed the “RED TODDY” met the 5 pigmentation requirements to be classified as a Red Nose. According to Bob Hemphill, it was not until approximately the year 1920, when Dan Mc Coy began to use the term Old Family Red Nose for all those specimens of the breed, which, regardless of their genetic origin, possessed 5 very specific pigmentation characteristics, being the 5 pigmentation characteristics that the “RED TODDY” showed, being the following:
1º- Mantle brown color in its different tonalities, admitting itself the white color, 2º- The nose red, rosaceous or colour meat, 3º- The corner of the pinkish lips. 4º- White, brown or pinkish nails. 5º- Amber eyes.
Dan McCoy, Bob Hemphill, Bob Wallace, Bob O'Neal and other breeders around them, used the Irish Red Nose dogs of the old Irishman William J. Lightner in their respective breedings, since they were the dogs they knew in their environment, they were enthusiastic about these dogs and managed to make them very popular. I believe that, for this reason, several fans today mistakenly believe that Red Nose dogs are only those, which come from Lightner and from these breeders from the same Lightner environment who bred their dogs. These fans to whom I refer, who are under this misperception, they believe it, because it was Dan McCoy, from the same Lightner environment who created the term Old Family Red Nose (OFRN) or Red Nose in 1920 for those specimens of Lightner himself that met the aforementioned 5 pigmentation characteristics, without knowing that before and after those Lightner Red Nose specimens, there were many other specimens in various places, which also met the same 5 pigmentation characteristics , that is, also Red Nose, but from other genetic origins of the breed as good or better than those of Lightner or of the mentioned breeders from his environment, Red Nose such as “RED TODDY”, or its son HENRY'S “RED TODDY JR”, however, due to the mere fact of not being in their environment and because, furthermore, these specimens had an important part of their genetics of English origin, the breeding work carried out with them by Henry was not taken into account and this question, happened the same tham with Henry with other breeders who were not from Ireland, nor from the environment of the breeders mentioned above.
It must be known that at that time in the USA there was a huge rivalry between irish and english dogmens, in terms of seeing which dogs were the best in the fight, since at that time dogfighting was not an illegal activity as it is today in most countries of the world. However, the blood, genetics or strains of both countries in American territory, were already quite mixed with each other, since, for example, the Irish dogs had already been mixed with crosses that were made with English Pit Bulls such as LLOYD'S “PILOT”, LLOYD'S “PADDY”, BURKE´S “RAFFERTY”, etc. and vice versa.
William J. Lightner With his Red Nose named as Timmy.
Those same fans, who mistakenly believe in the denomination of Old Family Red Nose (OFRN) or Red Nose, think that only the Red Nose arose from Ireland, without knowing that other bloodlines, genetics or strains also arose from Ireland. various pigmentations as important as that of the Red Nose, but not so well known, even, other bloods, genetics or strains also arose equally Red Nose, not only Lightner's. Dishonestly, some have wanted to monopolize for their own benefit, but to the detriment of the breed and its fans, the denomination or nickname, which Dan Mc Coy created for Pit Bulls that met the aforementioned 5 pigmentation characteristics and that many specimens of the breed show from its own origins hundreds of years ago, I am referring, of course, to the Pit Bulls known as Old Family Red Nose (OFRN) or Red Nose. That attitude is not right, that is ugly.
In the same dynamic as the above, in other places, not only in Ireland, Pit Bull Red Nose also emerged, and other bloodlines, genetics or strains of various pigmentations as important as that of the Red Nose also emerged. I think that the ramification genetic or genetic branch called Old Family Red Nose (OFRN), or simply Red Nose, only belongs to the breed itself and its fans, because it are identified genes, which are part of the breed dog American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT or Pit Bull), the Pit Bull Red Nose does not belong to any specific place, nor to some specific Pit Bull, nor to some specific breeders, nor to similar matters, which lead to the confusion of the fan, in some cases intentionally.
Bob Hemphill (left), Bob O’Neal (center) and Gaboon Trahan (right) talking in a diner.
It is interesting to know that before Dan Mc Coy began to name those specimens of the breed that possessed the 5 pigmentation characteristics already indicated with the term Old Family Red Nose, from Ireland itself, this Pit Bulls were already called with the term Old Family Reds or even, by many fans, they were not even called in any way, because it are 5 pigmentation characteristics typical of the breed itself, as I have already detailed. The term Old Family Reds, was used to remember a group of Pit Bulls that lived around 1850 in the counties of Kerry and Cork in Ireland, which were bred by some Irish fans for the aforementioned 5 characteristics of pigmentation and in that place they became popular, since at that time many specimens congregated, forming in that place a great family of Pit Bulls with the same 5 pigmentation characteristics, also due to consanguinity between the specimens themselves, since some Breeders refused to cross their dogs with others dogs that did not have the 5 pigmentation characteristics, since to be recessive genes they quickly lost the pigmentation that they liked so much if they were crossed with Pit Bulls with different pigmentation, but that does not mean, that the Old Family Reds was created in that place, nor on those dates, it is simply more of the same than what I have already explained with the denomination of the Old Family Red Nose (OFRN) or Red Nose.
It is difficult for me to explain all this, but I believe that it is becoming clear that the Old Family Reds did not originate with that family of Irish Pit Bulls in 1850 in counties Kerry and Cork, nor that Lightner, nor Dan Mc Coy neither Bob Hemphill, nor Bob Wallace, nor Bob O'Neal, nor others, from the year 1920 were the creators of the genetics of the Old Family Red Nose (OFRN) or Red Nose, because they simply showed interest in a plan of breeding in their dogs based on the fixation of the 5 pigmentation characteristics, and later, they will call them with the term OFRN or Red Nose, since those 5 pigmentation characteristics that their Pit Bulls presented are essence and part of the breed and nobody else's, it's just that, simple.
This blood, genetic or strain of Pit Bull, named in the year 1850 as the Old Family Reds in Ireland and some 70 years later in the USA, as the Old Family Red Nose (OFRN) or Red Nose, the common denominator of these terms, it is found in the pattern of the 5 pigmentation characteristics already mentioned, regardless of whether some of its ancestors were black or another coloration, the place, the breeder, etc.
By TRADITION, those specimens that currently show those same 5 pigmentation characteristics, it is indeed appropriate, to continue calling them Old Family Red Nose (OFRN) or Red Nose dogs, an adequate and correct way to identify a group of Pit Bulls for its pigmentation. If the traditions are adequate and correct, I think they must be preserved, but clearly, without Chinese tales involved.
Bob Wallace and his wife Doris Wallace with his Red Nose Pit Bull named as Wallace’s “Red Brave” AKA “Curley” in 1962.
Concluying, the denominations Old Family Reds, Old Family Red Nose (OFRN) or Red Nose, are terms to identify a specific group of Pit Bulls, terms which are not synonymous of creation nor ownership, therefore much that some insist on affirming the opposite to confuse and achieve benefiting their own interests.
One of the best specimens bred by Henry was a black dog called “BLACK STAR”, with considerable genetic influence from “RED TODDY”, which was owned by Earl Tudor. Earl crossed “BLACK STAR” with “JACK SWIFT”, producing TUDOR'S “JUDGE”, an extraordinary result, resulting from crosses between many black Henry Pit Bulls. TUDOR'S “JUDGE” was the great-grandfather of HARVERY´S “RED DEVIL”, and this one, in turn, is the father of FERGUSON CENTIPEDE, both Old Family Red Nose specimens, or Red Nose, ancestors of other later Red Nose, such as example; BASS´TRAMP “RED BOY”, etc.
TUDOR'S “JUDGE” FIAPBT Pedigree Online
The genetic ramification of Henry's dogs in descending scale from his Red Nose HENRY´S “RED TODDY”, followed by his descendants (many of them black) HENRY´S “ BLACK CUP”, HENRY´S “·BLACK BRANDY”, HENRY´S “·PLUNGER”, HENRY´S “BLACK STAR”, TUDOR´S “JUDGE”, TUDOR´S “BLACK JACK Jr.”, etc., from my point of view, I think it is the most important genetic ramification developed by Henry in his dogs, since it was one of the genetic ramifications of the breed that contributed to giving rise to TUDOR´S “DIBO”, which , has from its sixth generation several times repeated TUDOR´S “BLACK JACK Jr.”, TUDOR´S “BLACK JACK”, which come from Henry's dogs.
I contemplate all this and expose it, simply to make known a quite unknown facet and I think it is important within our wonderful and noble breed dog, without intending to diminish the merits of other breeders, who also contributed very much that extraordinary specimens, among them TUDOR´S “DIBO”, came to be reality, breeders such as were; CON FEELEY; JOHN PH COLBY; W.M. SHIPLEY; EARL TUDOR; W.D. SMITH; etc., etc.
John P.H. Colby and his wife with their four children — (1914)
The genetic ramification of TUDOR´S “DIBO” is practically the base genetic ramification, the backbone of the breed in present times, from which other very important genetic ramifications were generated, such as those mentioned like the ELI Dogs, the Jerry Clemmons Dogs, Floyd Boudreaux, Earl Tudor, Reverend Howard Heinzl, and of course, that of "The BLACKS" from Maurice Carver's breeding plan, among many others. From my point of view, the measure of value and importance of each and every one of these genetic ramifications, curiously, go hand in hand and closely related to the amount of percentage that they possess in their genes of TUDOR´S “DIBO” itself. The genetics of TUDOR´S “DIBO” in its various ramifications, is internationally recognized precisely for its value, not only for good reproduction, but also, with respect to the various qualities and genetic virtues that they possess, to facilitate the effective and good development of Work and Sports in which this doggies framed within any of the genetic ramifications coming from TUDOR´S “DIBO” were and are entrusted.
Returning to the main subject that brings us this day, Henry's dogs, after carefully appreciating some of the photographs that have been preserved of his dogs over time, with special attention to the photographs of his Pit Bulls with pigmentation of black color, I observe that Henry was right, with respect to the statement that he expressed in his publicity that can be seen in the first photograph of this tribute report, when Henry describing his dogs that he had just at that moment as; Henry's Dogs of Tomorrow, implying that the Pit Bulls of the future would be like the ones he owned at the time.
I think that, indeed, his dogs could perfectly pass for Pit Bull of the present time. I think this is largely due to the enormous genetic influence that Henry's Pit Bulls have transmitted in various ways to Pit Bulls today, despite having spent more than 120 years in many of their specimens.
So that the reader can carefully appreciate what has been said before and later draw their own conclusions, as an example, I show the photographs of some important Henry's Black Pit Bulls, which lived between the years 1905 and 1920, being some of the ancestral seeds from TUDOR´S “DIBO”, from “The BLACKS”, etc.:
HENRY'S “BLACK BRANDY” FIAPBT Pedigree Online
TUDOR´S (HENRY) “BLACK STAR” FIAPBT Pedigree
Many people considered “BLACK STAR” as the best specimen bred by Frank G. HENRY in all his breeding work.
The genealogy in scale descending of Henry's Pit Bulls, were some of the dogs of other good breeders in turn, I mean Jim Williams, Joe Corvino, Al Brown, Earl Tudor, Maurice Carver, W.D. Smith, Howard Heinzl, Floyd Boudreaux, etc., excellents specimens of the breed, for example; TUDOR´S “DIBO”, in my opinion, the best reproducer of all ancient and modern times; “BLACK JACK” and his son “BLACK JACK Jr.”; “BLACK SHINE”; “BLACK WIDOW” and his daughter “BLACK GIRL”; “BLIND BILLY”; “CLANCY”; “GOLDIE”; “ELI”; “BULLYSON”, etc.
Starting from the year 1900, in scale descending from the important Pit Bull “RED NOSE” of Frank G. Henry, the “RED TODDY” and its many descendants of black dogs, whether these had a greater or lesser genetic weight of the “RED TODDY”, their descendants , directly or indirectly from them, other specimens with "RED NOSE" pigmentation were appearing in turn, where some breeders used the genetics of these and other “RED NOSE” specimens and their descendants in their respective breeding plans, later appearing others specimens “RED NOSE”, as for example; HARVEY´S “RED DEVIL”, FERGUSON “CENTIPEDE” , BASS´TRAMP “RED BOY”, etc.
Within Henry's breeding plan and his genetic combinations, over time, as they were worked on and developed by other breeders, they would originate in new genetic ramifications, these being mostly black color pigmentation and latter, some of these black Pit Bulls, they converged in specimens with RED NOSE color pigmentation, which, this type of combinations in the color of the pigmentation, is something normal, most natural within the pure essence of our canine breed from its origins.
It should be noted that the result of breeding a male and a female both RED NOSE, cannot come out with black dogs, nor with any other pigmentation than not be RED NOSE. Yes, black dogs or other pigmentation can come out, when only one of the parents is RED NOSE, as is the case of the “RED TODDY”, when Henry obtained extraordinary black children from him by covering him with females that were not RED NOSE. In the same breeding dynamic, as indicative the pigmentation, we can also appreciate and verify the opposite of this genetic effect, of black dogs, such as PIRAÑAS ARNOLD X LADY, coming out extraordinary RED NOSE like the RED PIT. Unlike the RED NOSE, it is that, from two black dogs, RED NOSE dogs yes can come out as in the one in this example.
With these last exposed examples, it is more than demonstrated that the exclusivity of Pit Bulls with the 5 “RED NOSE” pigmentation characteristics, belongs to no one but the breed itself and its fans, as can be seen with all kinds of details in the report entitled BLOODLINES? and from the section “OLD FAMILY RED NOSE” (OFRN): https://www.fiapbt.net/ingles17.html
From left to right: Barry Scarcelo (Ponderosa Pits), Mariano Peinado, Danny Burns (RIP) (Ponderosa Pits) and Gary Hammond showing the books written by Mariano Peinado. Tulsa, Oklahoma, U.S.A. Extraordinary dogmen, excellent people.
The first American Pit Bull Terriers that Earl Tudor owned came from Henry's dogs in 1915, although Earl Tudor, in his family environment since he was born in 1895, was always surrounded by American Pit Bull Terriers. The culmination of Earl Tudor's breeding using Henry's dogs was reflected in his dog “BLACK JACK” and his son “BLACK JACK Jr.” , which were some of the ancestors of TUDOR´S “DIBO”; https://www.fiapbt.net/tributesmith.html
Earl Tudor with 4 years old and "JANE" the American Pit Bull Terrier in 1899. Photograph was taken in Kentucky before that the Tudor´s family moved to Oklahoma.
In some moment in the Earl Tudor´s life, he had more than 100 American Pit Bull Terrier in his yard. Tudor crossed the Henry dogs as pure as he could and crossed them with the families of Con Feeley, Colby, Bill Shipley, etc. Earl Tudor was 58 years old when he took to “DIBO” from the Reverend Howard Heinzl from Arizona. The names that more appear in the first 8 generations of “DIBO” pedigree, are Earl Tudor from Oklahoma with 39 times, Con Feeley from Illinois with 36 times and Bill Shipley from Texas 24 times.
One of the best kept secrets by the few breeders of the time who knew it, was that if you breed a family of blacks coming from English dogs, such as BURRISON'S “NIGGER”, the mother of HENRY´S “RED TODDY”, If a RED NOSE puppy comes out of any of its litters, you should keep it as best as possible in your yard without hesitation, to use it as a reproducer in your American Pit Bull Terrier family, because it will be a stud dog with practically all the guarantees of success in your breeding plan. Everything seems to indicate that Frank G. Henry knew this secret very well.
I can attest since my personal experience that this very well kept secret is right. My Red Pit (Red Nose) was the result in the first time that I crossed two blacks in early 1994 (Arnold X Lady) and used it like my stud dog in my family dogs. The result? I can say without fear of contradiction, I have not had another stud dog like him with such genetic dominance over the females that it covered and to conveyed it so many qualities and virtues to its offspring, giving outstanding results in jobs, sports and big game (wild boar) where were used, including like a family dog (pet) were extraordinary.
After the work that Earl Tudor and his wife Flo did in breeding Henry's Pit Bulls for decades, the two of them and without even knowing it, an important part of their breeding through TUDOR´S “BLACK JACK” and his son TUDOR´S “BLACK JACK Jr.” and very especially through the genetics of TUDOR´S “DIBO”, he came together in the well-known ELI Dogs, in “The BLACKS” and many other good ones of today.
Some people mention the possibility that BOUDREAUX '"ELI" and TUDOR'S (Mayfield) "NIGGER" are direct descendants of TUDOR'S "BLACK JACK" and its son TUDOR'S "BLACK JACK JR." (Both father and son came from the HENRY dogs) by its black color and its physical resemblance, or so they say. We must not forget that we are talking about dogs of the same breed dog, which is not surprising at all if any of these specimens to show similar to one another, is normal that may occur between individuals of the same breed dog and it not mean that they have to be nor much less direct family, nor the breeders of these dogs lied in their respective breedings when these breeds were reflected in its pedigrees.
However, comparing the old but clear pictures of TUDOR'S "BLACK JACK" and "NELLIE", the TUDOR'S "BLACK JACK JR." parents, with the photographs and video of BOUDREAUX' "ELI" and TUDOR'S (Mayfield) "NIGGER", you might see on the top of this report, we clearly understand that it would be foolish to consider that there was a direct connection between all these dogs, both the color and the physical structure are not similars.
What happens is that some people or “breeders” sometimes tend to misconduct with other breeders, by false gossip invent hoaxes to discredit subtly in one way or another way others breeders who work dogs with genetics to consider too competitive with which they breed, and them want to remove from among a vile and petty manner. It also often happens that some people wish to discredit the Official Pedigree of the breed (ADBA) because their dogs do not have it, then also inventing lies and gossip hoaxes to discredit intelligent and subtly the effectiveness of the Official Pedigree of the breed, thinking that if they get it, his mixed dogs in most cases, would be revalued in the eyes of fans with little experience in the breed. For a proper protection and right promotion of the breed, unfortunately I fear that we must seriously consider this last, to find a logical answer to this whole thing, which is not sufficiently clear nor clean.
To put an example of easy understanding about this last, I add a private full discussion of the but with different names of the users involved in this debate, for not to feel them uncomfortable and annoying to see that the private debate is now displayed in public. This debate comes in handy to understand what I am referring, specifically between the contacts between users known as Mrs. X and Villaliberty, this last obviously is a server. Mrs. X as you will see in the debate, is dedicated to intelligent and very subtly to discredit the honest old timers and also some breeders of nowadays (including a server) that we Registered our dogs in the ADBA. Mrs. X also is dedicated to intelligent and very subtly to discredit to the Official Pedigree of the Breed in International scope, I mean to the ADBA pedigree, so that in this "intelligent" and subtle way runs like wildfire among fans around the world a series of hoaxes and false gossip like if it were a truth, gossip and false hoaxes that go with bad intention against the fans and against the breed itself.
This debate is one of the most read and transited by the users around the world in, which I have to say, that it inspired me to carry out this report in which we find ourselves and therefore, I am satisfied and grateful to this debate, which I think can be a great complement to this report, for that reason I add it in this place.
DebateHISTORY ON ELI/CARVER (By Mr. D)
From left to right: Ray Squires (APBT Club President), Mar Bartolomé (Villa Liberty kennels), Kate Greenwood (ADBA President at the time), Mom "Renne" Greenwood (ADBA), Abel Santillan (ADBA Judge & breeder), Mariano Peinado (Villa Liberty kennels). All these are exceptional people and exceptional dogmen & dogwomen.
Another thing related to this last but quite different, is when some breeders of other times sold some of their dogs without pedigree because they had some suspicion with the buyer, as it could make them the competitive in the future and did not want to facilitate their knowledge to certain people of his many years of breeding experience, which did not inspire the confidence necessary to deliver the pedigree since which they could acquire the breeding knowledge. Then is possible that some breeders, in some cases it might be that not tell the truth to the buyer how the animal was bred, hence the saying that some breeders did not want some people have their secret recipe of how they had been bred their dogs.
Conversely, when they gave the puppy with pedigree, this was completely different, because in the pedigree was impregnated for ALWAYS the breeder´s word and honor, like this subject had been all the life, this was sacred for the good and honest breeders and dogmen.
Richard Stratton showing at his home the first book written by Mariano Peinado. 1997, San Diego, California, USA.
Returning the subject about TUDOR'S "BLACK JACK" and his son TUDOR'S "BLACK JACK JR.", like I noted above came from quite preceding the time of the dogs that I have spoken in the first part of this chapter, times specifically came from the 20s, so we should not think that are the direct ancestors of BOUDREAUX '"ELI" and TUDOR'S (Mayfield) "NIGGER" like some people say or insinuate with intentions not clear, or just do it for ignorance for wanting to appear something that they are not, at least for those that we are located within the times in the history of the breed, is just absurd to contemplate this possibility.
However in my humble and personal opinion, to say that who really I do believe it is in the breeding work, honesty, honor and word of the breeders, word and honor that placed in its moment with all his confidence and in visible way in the Official ADBA Pedigrees of nowadays, as to come right now to invent some gossiper with hoaxes and to question the honesty, the word and the work of a lifetime of these gentlemen mostly deceased, without conclusive evidence, by principles I refuse to doubt this question, sorry.
I'm not saying that all breeders of yesteryear were saints, and even on occasion the falsehood existed and breach of promise in some of these old timers with some of their dogs (like is the case with any other dishonest breeders of others breed dogs), but when the ADBA became aware of falsity or fraud at the time (and even today, the ADBA continues to make a commendable research work in the service to the truth will keep prevailing in the pedigrees), annulled or amended according to the truth with the pedigree questioned, for the truth to prevail against everything and everyone, especially for the well and defense of the pure breed and his true lovers, who are none others than his honest well meaning fans.
Earl Tudor and his wife Flo in 1973 showing so proud the TUDOR´S “BLACK DEMOND” picture. Flo had a lot to do with the success of Tudor dogs, she fed them, healed them, cared for them, prepared them, was on take care to them all day, loved them... Flo was a "dogwoman" since feet to head. She was small in stature, very thin, while a woman of enormous kind. Earl Tudor acknowledged the work of Flo saying, "I do not know how I would have got without her help."
From Wales arrived; John PH Colby, who had a preference for the Irish APBT, even though after used very much in his breeding to Lloyd Pilot which coming from England.
From Ireland came to USA; W. S. Semmens, William J. Lightner, Jim Corcoran (this went to USA to fight for the world heavyweight title against Sullivan and then stayed like police in Boston), Mc Coy, Bob Hemphill, Bob Wallace, Johnny McDonald (Gas House), John Noonan and many others.
The dogs arrived from Scotland, quickly merged with other British and Irish dogs, so it was not followed its own line of Scottish dogs.
With the information provided in this place, those who did not understand from where came the black color within the genetics of ELI / CARVER / BOUDREAUX dogs and the popularly known like "The BLACKS", all of them coming from the “DIBO” family and the influence that “DIBO” had with the Henry's Dogs, I believe that now they will be able to understand better this subject.
I hope that no one will take the hint by my words here, since my intention was not to offend or upset anyone in particular, I just tried to contribute positively and humbly with my opinion from the heart and with good intentions, to the fans and especially to the breed dog that belong our dogs.
WORKS THAT MAY BE WOULD BE OF YOUR INTEREST ABOUT THE AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER
@ “THE BLACKS” VIDEO: www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=afVsbawKASA
@ MAURICE CARVER MUSEUM: www.fiapbt.net/museumcarver.html
@ BLOODLINES? THE “OLD FAMILY RED NOSE” (OFRN): www.fiapbt.net/ingles17.html
@ DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER AND ITS DERIVATIONS TODAY, THE AST AND THE SBT: www.fiapbt.net/ingles16.html
@ THE AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER ORIGINS: www.fiapbt.net/origins.html
@ THE CHARACTER OF THE AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER: www.fiapbt.net/character.html
@ GENETIC AND GRAPH STUDY OF THE BESTS APBT OF ALL THE TIMES: http://www.facebook.com/notes/federacion-internacional-del-american-pit-bull-terrier/genetic-and-graph-study-of-the-bests-pit-bull-of-all-the-times/10150424806175089
@ WHAT NOBODY HAS WRITED ABOUT THE BEST APBT OF ALL TIMES, TUDOR´S “DIBO”The true history about Tudor´s “Dibo”: http://translate.google.es/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fiapbt.net%2Fhistoriadibo.html&act=url (This is a literal translation by the Internet translator, sorry)
(Original report in Spanish: www.fiapbt.net/historiadibo.html )
@ MISCELLANEOUS INFORMATION ABOUT THE AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER: www.villaliberty.org/information.html
The American Pit Bull Terrier Online Pedigree is a study or informative mode, it is not the Official Pedigree. Caution with the swindlers!!!
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: TUDORS “DIBO”
Online Pedigree: TUDOR´S “DIBO”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: BOUDREAUX' “ELI”
Online Pedigree: BOUDREAUX´ “ELI”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: WALLING'S “BULLYSON”
Online Pedigree: WALLING'S “BULLYSON”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: BOUDREAUX' “BLIND BILLY”
Online Pedigree: BOUDREAUX' “BLIND BILLY”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: CLAYTON'S “ELI JR”
Online Pedigree: CLAYTON'S “ELI JR”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: CLEMMONS' “BRENDY”
Online Pedigree: CLEMMONS' “BRENDY”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: CARVER'S (DAVIS) “MIDNIGHT COWBOY”
Online Pedigree: CARVER'S (DAVIS) “MIDNIGHT COWBOY”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: CARVER'S (HYDE´S) “BLOODY SUNDAY”
Online Pedigree: CARVER'S (HYDE´S) “BLOODY SUNDAY”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: (CARVER´S) MORALES “NEGRA” (BOUDREAUX' “LUPE”)
Online Pedigree: (CARVER´S) MORALES “NEGRA” (BOUDREAUX' “LUPE”)
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: SMITH & WILLIAM'S “REUBEN”
Online Pedigree: SMITH & WILLIAM'S “REUBEN”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: VILLA LIBERTY´S "TUDOR DIBO" (“Mr. “Ronnie”)
Online Pedigree: VILLA LIBERTY´S "TUDOR DIBO" (“Mr. “Ronnie”)
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: “CHINAMAN”
Online Pedigree: “CHINAMAN”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: (CARVER´S) R. MORALES´ “BLACK LADY” (NEGRITA)
Online Pedigree: (CARVER´S) R. MORALES´ “BLACK LADY” (NEGRITA) (No existe en esta base de datos.)
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: “BOUDREAUX” (BULLYSON)
Online Pedigree: “BOUDREAUX” (BULLYSON)
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: CH MARRERO'S “PICHE”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: CANARIASPIT'S “BAGHEERA”
Online Pedigree: CANARIASPIT'S “BAGHEERA”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: “BOUDREAX” (Montana)
Online Pedigree: “BOUDREAX” (Montana)
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: GR CH CHAVEZ' “LLANTAS”
Online Pedigree: GR CH CHAVEZ' “LLANTAS”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: CH VTK'S “MR. HANKEY”
Online Pedigree: CH VTK'S “MR. HANKEY”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: GR CH CHIP'S “SLASHER”
Online Pedigree: GR CH CHIP'S “SLASHER”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: CH HOK'S “LIZA II” (BIG GIRL)
Online Pedigree: CH HOK'S “LIZA II” (BIG GIRL)
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: CH LNK'S “GINNY”
Online Pedigree: CH LNK'S “GINNY”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: BOUDREAUX' “BADGER”
Online Pedigree: BOUDREAUX' “BADGER”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: BOUDREAUX' “MISS SKULL”
Online Pedigree: BOUDREAUX' “MISS SKULL”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: BOUDREAUX' “SKULL”
Online Pedigree: BOUDREAUX' “SKULL”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: BOUDREAUX' “SCREAM”
Online Pedigree: BOUDREAUX' “SCREAM”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: BOUDREAUX' “MAVERICK”
Online Pedigree: BOUDREAUX' “MAVERICK”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: “COWGIRL 2”
Online Pedigree: “COWGIRL 2”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: VILLA LIBERTY´S “LADY CARVER 2”
Online Pedigree: VILLA LIBERTY´S “LADY CARVER 2”
FIAPBT Pedigree Online: VILLA LIBERTY´S “COWBOY 4”
Online Pedigree: VILLA LIBERTY´S “COWBOY 4”
The American Pit Bull Terrier Online Pedigree is a study or informative mode, it is not the Official Pedigree. Caution with the swindlers!!!
In this FIAPBT GENEALOGICAL SECTION REGISTRY OF SECURITY called FIAPBT Pedigree, you will be able; To study the different ramifications genetic of this wonderful and the noble breed dog, the American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT); To see APBT historical pictures never seen previously in publish; To help to fight the criminalization that the BSL realises; To create easily the pedigree online of your dog or the litters that you have; etc.
In order to be able to enjoy these services, simply you must to register through www.fiapbtpedigree.com with the option the Spanish and English language. This new FIAPBT GENEALOGICAL SECTION REGISTRY OF SECURITY, the FIAPBT Pedigree, will be in continuous development by the FIAPBT, for its constant improvement.
@ GENETIC OF THE LEGEND TO CALLED “MAURICE CARVER” AND TRIBUTE: http://www.villaliberty.org/legend.html
@ MAURICE CARVER MUSEUM: http://www.fiapbt.net/museumcarver.html